Rethinking

“If the evidence, apparently serious, for Eucharistic miracles taking place within the Novus Ordo Mass (NOM) is to be believed – and such miracles may even be happening frequently, one of the latest seeming to come from Legnica, also in Poland (see here) on Christmas Day of 2013 – then indeed some of us may need to do some rethinking. ” Bishop Williamson in EC Number CDXCII (492):
 
 
Indeed, let us rethink everything!
 
Why only accept the Conciliar Church miracles? Why not rethink the Conciliar Church Canonization Process and pray to St John Paul II to help us unpack his teaching?

 
Sr C
 
 


Serious Theologians Do Not Lean On Miracles To Prove A Point!

In EC Number CDXCII (492), Bishop Williamson, whether intentionally or not, by starting his article with Eucharistic miracles in the NOM, leads the reader to adopt a messy theology wherein part of the NOM is valuable to some people sometimes, but is not beneficial to people who are able to discern good from evil.

 

Therefore one should reason that since all Catholics are able to discern good from evil, all Catholics should avoid the NOM.
 
But the bishop does not state this conclusion. Instead, this EC uses Vatican II doublespeak to promote the NOM and to deny it at the same time. This is modernism.
 
A Traditional bishop should teach in a way that is clear, unambiguous and to the point. Compare this EC to Archbishop Lefebvre:

 
“The current problem of the Mass is an extremely serious problem for the Holy Church. I believe that if the dioceses and seminaries and works that are currently done are struck with sterility, it is because the recent deviations drew upon us the divine curse. All the efforts that are made to hang on to what is being lost, to reorganize, reconstruct, rebuild, all that is struck with sterility, because we no longer have the true source of holiness which is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Profaned as it is, it no longer gives grace, it no longer makes grace pass.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, August 1972, priestly retreat; can be found in A Bishop Speaks)

source

as translated at http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/abp-lefebvre-says-no-grace-in-new-mass.4313/

 
 

The Archbishop made his point without leaning on miracles.
 

St John of the Cross taught: “Stay away from visions, apparitions and miracles as much as you can… Be careful of visions, even when they are authentic.” (Fr Hesse, New Conciliar Religion).

 
 

Serious theologians do not lean on miracles to prove a point!

 

 


Intrinsically Evil

In the Q&A Session at Our Lady of the Sun 1997, at the 36:50 mark, Fr Hesse says:
 
“The New Mass is against the Teaching of the Church, the New Mass is leading towards heresy, the New Mass is against the declared Will of Christ expressed by many Popes and the Council of Trent. Anything that is against the Will of Christ, anything that in itself leads towards heresy is intrinsically evil.”

 
 
Sr C
 
 


Sacred Mass According to Church Law

Fr Hesse says that ABL used the 1962 Missal because of the Law of Self Defence.
 
“According to Catholic Moral Theology, you are not allowed to go beyond the necessary means to get rid of the actual situation against which you have to defend yourself.”
 
“Do not go beyond what is necessary to remedy the situation.“
 
Therefore, laymen and priests are all bound to be careful of how far they go in getting out of difficult situations.
 
“I reject the reasons for celebrating the Old Mass by priests who at the same time objectively – and may it be only for diplomatic reasons – agree with Vatican II. There is no way that you can agree with heresy even for diplomatic reasons, for reasons of emergency.”
 
Therefore we accept the red-light position, and do not go to Indult or nSSPX Masses.
 
We recommend that you listen to the entire talk, which can be found

here .
 

Attached a transcription (by Sr C) of the salient points.
Sacred Mass according to Church Law

 


No practical agreement until there is a doctrinal agreement?

The Dominicans of Avrille answer the nsspx Fr Simoulin article:
“No practical agreement until there is a doctrinal agreement?” http://www.dominicansavrille.us/answer-to-fr-simoulin-sspx-no-practical-agreement-until-there-is-a-doctrinal-agreement/
 
 
I particularly like the comment: “The word ‘sadness‘ (italics added) is repeated five times: appeal to sentiment. But here, it is reason and faith which should guide us.”
 
Which is of course, what the Domincans are famous for, the use of logic over sentiment.

 
 


If The Latin Mass Is Not Available?

This is dealt with in the last five minutes of the talk entitled “A Conversation With Fr. Hesse #1 “.

 

Question: “I only have the NOM to go to. If there is no Latin Mass to go to, what do I do?”
 
Fr Hesse answers: “The Church has answered the question in the past when the Church did not allow you to fulfill your Sunday duty in a Russian Orthodox Mass. The Russian Orthodox Mass is recognized valid – it’s recognized as a valid Mass. The Church has never as a matter of fact doubted the validity. Validity means it takes place; it doesn’t mean it’s allowed to go there. Most people confuse valid and licit: valid means the sacrament is actually there. Licit means it’s also allowed to do so. …
 
The Conciliar Church does not provide me with Holy Mass for the simple reason that it is my Divine right – Divine God-given right – that’s the definition of the Church – to receive all the Sacraments in my rite (ritus). It’s a God-given right that I receive the Sacraments in the rite of my Church. My Church happens to be the Latin Catholic Church. The rites of the Latin Catholic Church are the ones confirmed by the Council of Trent, Pope Pius V and his successors. They [the rites of the Latin Catholic Church] are not the changed new rites. The new rites – Paul VI called the Novus Ordo the New Order of Mass – the New Order of Mass I don’t know to whom it belongs except the Devil. My liturgy – It is not my liturgy – it does not belong to my church – I cannot go there. …
 
The Church said sanctify Sunday by going to Mass. If you can’t go to Mass, then you can’t go there. Try to make it for Christmas or Easter. …

 
You cannot fulfill your Sunday obligation at the New Mass because the New Mass in itself is schismatic, against Divine Law, against Eternal Law. How can I fulfill Eternal Law by going against it? It’s absurd. You can’t. … [emphasis added]

 
Better the Old Mass once a month than the New Mass every day.”
 
 
Sr C